Hello everyone, I hope you're sitting comfortably then we'll begin. Our previous question dealt with changing demographics and Stephen Lawrence, something I'm unwilling to revisit. This is something I'm quite willing to revisit. GOD and the universe.
Our horrible question this time is this. If god is love then why does he act, more like a spouse abuser and bully rather then an all benevolent being.
We got a leaflet from some africans on the street, and reading through, it reminded me that there is just no god at all, or if if he does exist he is the biggest griefer going. We'll quote extensively and if you can't see the similarity in statements then you are not looking hard enough.
It starts off (with me trolling in brackets.)
Dear Friend.
#Do you know god loves you in a personal way? (Creep)
#Have you experienced god's eternal salvation at the personal level? (No, pray tell what does that feel like)
#Have you recieved Jesus Christ (through the post) as your personal saviour?
#Have you recieved forgiveness from god for all the sins you have committed since you were born? (guilt trip)
#If Jesus comes today, will he gladly take you along with him to heaven? (no, but will a head shot kill this revenant Christ.)
These are very important questions. They are perhaps the most important questions you will ever face. (why do you have proof of concept and don't quote scripture or say the Bible, I want physical proof heaven exists.) God loves you personally and knows you by name, as a distinct individual. In god's sight, you are a very important person. Gods love for you is so great that he gave the greatest gift that he had especially for you.
This gift is embodied not in a thing nor in philosophy, but in the person of his son - the lord Jesus Christ.
So far so standard, Jesus dies and resurrects to kill all sin for those that believe in him, nothing we haven't heard a thousand times before. There is limited evidence for christ ever existing, at least Muhammed Selected Ambient Works is a historical figure, all evidence of Jesus though is faked, or comes through the Gospels which were originally oral traditions hence their ambiguity.
We'll continue with the original script.
The first thing you should know is that god is holy, righteous and loving. Man on the other hand, is sinful. Man's sinfulness is revealed in many ways, E.G. in his doing what he ought not to do. Most people tell lies. Others are full of envy or are covetous, some steal small or big things, others gossip, some are proud and arrogant, some cheat. Some read Porn (originally dirty books) Magazines, others are controlled by alcohol, many are controlled by the love of money, others are self centered and full of unbelief, others believe in and practice witchcraft; others carry talismans and other forms of medicines for self-protection.
Its not a sin to be proud of something you did, nor is it sinful to read, or watch porn (unless you're a kiddy fiddler of course) god has some major level control freakery when it comes to sex and sexuality. It certainly is not a sin to be controlled by alcohol, alcoholism is not a curse from god, though it causes misery for many.
Carrying a lucky rabbits foot, evil eye charm, horseshoe or a cross around your neck will not send you to hell.
We'll continue:
The Bible says, All have sinned and come short of the glory of god. Even people have not sinned openly have sinned in their hearts. According to the standard set by Jesus Christ, if you look at a girl or a boy, a woman or a man with lust in your eyes, you are already guilty of immorality with her or him in you heart, and if you hate someone, you have committed murder in your heart. So sins that are committed in thoughts words and deeds are all serious before god. There is no one on earth that has never sinned. Some have sinned more than others, but because all are guilty before god. That includes you, for the bible says, If we say that we have not sinned we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. Although man has tried to bridge this gap in many ways E.G. by prayer, by going to church and doing a lot of what he considers to be good things, the gap is not bridged, In fact, God considers all the good deeds done by man in his own strength as sinful.
So there you go, if you don't do nothing majorly bad you'll go to hell. Even if you are a good person, don't have fantasies or wish on those that upset you, you'll still be doomed cos god thinks your worthless unless you believe in his dead son. Christians will say that this is all worthwile in the end, forever in heaven with god, looking down on the rest of us burning in hell.
Do what I do, and I wont hurt you, believe in me and you will have all the glory, turn your back on me and I will make your life hell. These are the words of the bully, picking on the weak, the different, and those who do not conform to the in group. These in fact sound like emotional abuse.
I'll cherry pick the passages again and add something from the above link.
All have sinned and come short of the glory of god. Even people have not sinned openly have sinned in their hearts
Emotional abuse is an environment wherein the abuser tries to exercise
control over you. The abuser first gets to know your abilities,
capacities, self-esteem and values. Then after that the abuser will
attempt to erode your strengths and capitalize on your weaknesses.
Man on the other hand, is sinful. Man's sinfulness is revealed
in many ways, E.G. in his doing what he ought not to do, according to the standard set by Jesus Christ.
The abusive partner strives to make you believe that you are a misfit
In fact, God considers all the good deeds done by man in his own strength as sinful.
The person perpetrating the abuse will coax you to believe you are always wrong and are of no value in the relationship
If we just keep believing that christ died for us, keep taking that red pill, it'll be alright. Or we start to question ourselves, would we be better off without him, that nasty jealous old testament, spiritually kicking us down and we come back for more because we'll go to hell if we don't.
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